top hat: lesbian pro

Two questions asked similar things, plus I recently had a conversation with a student about it, so it might be time to write a post about it.

I think I’ve only ever met 1 lesbian who claims to regularly use protection with women. What’s your view on safe sex in lesbian relationships?

and

How do lesbians protect themselves against STIs when they are dry humping or scissoring?

Well it’s a big deal, and it gets really political. The lesbian community has protested that they’ve been neglected in public health interventions around, for example HIV. And I want to be explicit that it definitely is possible to transmit HIV during genital-to-genital contact between women. But it’s not easy. It’s also possible to transmit HIV during cunnilingus – but it’s really not easy.

STIs are transmitted via contact with the fluids and genital skin of a person who is infected. Therefore:

The first and best way not to contract an STI is for you and your partner to be tested. If there is no infection and the two of you are only being sexual with each other, no need to use pro. Super.

If one of you has an infection, or if you’re not in a monogamous relationship, you need to decide what degree of risk you’re comfortable with. Your next choices about protection are based on the trade-offs of good things and not so good things.

The technical part of your range of options has to do with preventing contact with infected or potentially-infected fluids and skin. The emotional part of your range of options has to do with your comfort level with talking about and using protection.

The skin-to-skin infections are probably the greatest risk with something like scissoring, where the genitals are in direct contact. The protection solution? Saran wrap. Really. Not the microwavable kind, just the regular kind. It’s non-porous, you can pull big sheets that cover everything you need to cover, plus it’s totally clear so you can see through it and it has no taste (unlike latex) so it’s great for oral as well.

Now, many of you may now be thinking, “But look, I’ll never really do that. It’s embarrassing and awkward and I’m just not going to pull a roll of Saran wrap out from under my bed.”

And that’s fine. Just know that if you engage in that behavior without a barrier when one of you might be infected, there’s a risk of infection. Sometimes people are more comfortable with the risk of infection than they are with the embarrassment of introducing a barrier. That’s totally up to you. (Must write post about human perceptions of risk.)

[EDIT: I wrote about about human perceptions of risk.]

If you’d like to reduce risk without using a barrier, then behavioral methods are your go-to strategy. Just avoid stuff like scissoring and humping, so there’s not direct contact with her genital skin and fluids to your genital skin and fluids. You don’t even necessarily have to explain what you don’t want to do or why; you just have to do the stuff you feel safe with and not do the stuff you don’t feel safe with.

Behavior ideas: Manual sex is quite low risk (as long as you keep your juicy hands off YOUR pooter) and so it’s a great option if you don’t know your partner’s history or monogamy or if one of you is infected. Mutual masturbation -watching each other as you simultaneously masturbate – is quite low-risk and can be very, very sexy. Oral sex has somewhat higher risk, since the various bacterial infections can be transmitted orally (and you do NOT want Gonorrhea of the mouth!), but it’s pretty dark low-risk for herpes and especially for HPV.

And of course there’s the option of, like, not having sex with someone you don’t feel comfortable enough with to talk about medical and sexual histories, protection choices, and behavioral preferences. But hell, this is the real world, right? You want to have sex and you also have a lot of cultural crap in your head about it, so what’s a girl to do?

Final note: my understanding of the term “dry humping” is that it’s humping with your clothes on… is that wrong? Without clothes, it’s just good old humping, nice and wet. Clothes on, no need for extra pro. Clothes off, see above.

12 Responses to top hat: lesbian pro

  1. Most common form of protection I’ve used? 2 toys instead of one. Swapping out is fast, simple and doesn’t change any of how we play. Plus, even if it’s not about major STDs, yeast infections suck.

    Dental dams/saran wrap, yes. Gloves for fisting, and can be turned into dental dams with a quick snip, but I don’t think I’ve ever bothered for manual sex.
    Honestly, when I used protection during lesbian sex it was mostly as a political statement, rather than because I was worried about diseases (my understanding is that safer sex doesn’t necessarily prevent HPV transmission anyway, which is what I’d be most worried about.) However, part of queer hookups where I was was about enjoying the respect we were willing to pay to each other and the social norms we supported. We believed in safer sex not because of risk, but rather because we thought safer sex was sexy.

  2. It is not that difficult to get genital herpes from oral sex. More than half the population has oral herpes (which doesn’t have the same stigma since you can get it by kissing, or by drinking out of the same cup as someone who has it), and while the two strains are somewhat specialized to oral versus genital locations the virus isn’t that picky about where it lives. Furthermore it’s possible to shed virus without experiencing any symptoms, so just avoiding oral sex when your partner has a visible cold sore isn’t necessarily safe.

    • The viruses are indeed pretty picky about where they live. It’s possible to transmit oral herpes to genitals and vice versa, but it’s not typical.

      • are you sure because i get them (cold sores) all the time and the internet tells me to be super careful. when should i be worried? no sore = no problem? what if i have a little sore and don’t notice… what are the chances of spreading it that way? i always freak out about this!!!!

      • Well cold sores aren’t the same thing as fever blisters, but if it is herpes then having no symptoms reduces the risk of infection but doesn’t eliminated, due to the cell shedding.

        And really there’s no need to freak out – you just decide what level of risk you’re comfortable with and act accordingly.

      • what’s the difference between cold sores and fever blisters? i though cold sores and fever blisters were the same, and canker sores were different (virus vs. bacterial infection)

  3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18156035
    “Most genital herpes is caused by HSV-2, although HSV-1 accounts for about half of new cases in developed countries.” HSV-1 is so much more common that even if it’s harder to transmit it’s still worth worrying about. I wouldn’t normally be so persistent, but I’m fairly certain it happened to me.

    (Though apparently a cross-infection like this tends to produce milder symptoms. And on further thought it seems reasonable that, as with most viral infections, antibodies should prevent getting the same strain twice, so it might not be possible to get genital HSV-1 if you already have oral HSV-1, making this a non-issue for most of the population.)

    • How is that different from what I said? It happens, but it’s not typical. The CDC:

      How do people get genital herpes?
      HSV-1 and HSV-2 can be found in and released from the sores that the viruses cause, but they also are released between outbreaks from skin that does not appear to have a sore. Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during sexual contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection. Transmission can occur from an infected partner who does not have a visible sore and may not know that he or she is infected.

      HSV-1 can cause genital herpes, but it more commonly causes infections of the mouth and lips, so-called “fever blisters.” HSV-1 infection of the genitals can be caused by oral-genital or genital-genital contact with a person who has HSV-1 infection. Genital HSV-1 outbreaks recur less regularly than genital HSV-2 outbreaks.

    • This source indicates that concurrent genital and oral infections are possible.

      http://std.about.com/od/herpes/f/concurhsv.htm

      • madscientist

        Infections with both HSV1 and 2 are possible but they only infect one area e.g. pcr testing from a swab of an oral lesion may test positive for type 1 while pcr testing of genital swab would test positive for type 2. I really don’t think that a person could have both oral and genital infections of only one HSV type.
        HSV2 is usually the culprit responsible for genital infection but oral infection with HSV2 is becoming more common and vice versa for genital infection. So the viruses aren’t really all that picky about where they live and perhaps in the past, our own behaviour has had more of an influence on that.

  4. agreed with protection, risks and all the stands that can be referred as reasonable and mature. i have trouble having sex, being reasonable and mature :) though.

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